Image of Eternity Martis with cover of They Said This Would be Fun
Photo by Arvin Joaquin

Self-education and readiness

Carefully consider and assess your own readiness to lead this discussion. You might consider:

  • your current knowledge, particularly around cultural awareness and sensitivity, anti-Black racism, feminism and gender equity, and other topics discussed in the book. How will you continue to self-educate on this topics, and who will you go to for support if there are questions you can’t answer or issues you don’t currently understand?
  • your current teaching and facilitation skills, particularly around having difficult discussions with students who hold diverse identities. How will you center the needs of, and minimize harm to, students whose identities are marginalized or equity-deserving within the dominant culture? What is your own positionality in relation to the topics discussed in the book?

Proactive strategies to foster a positive discussion space

  • Build trust and community in the class through activities that allow people to get to know one another (e.g., icebreaker activities, playing music or sharing photos before class, introductions at the start of a small group activity)
  • Develop or propose a set of community agreements for the class, to promote a safe, brave, or accountable space. Guidelines typically address things such as how individuals will interact with each other, what behaviours are encouraged, and what behaviours are discouraged. To increase peer-to-peer accountability, take the time to engage students in co-creating these agreements with you.
  • Model respect, sensitivity, and care for students, along with accountability and responsibility when you make a mistake.
  • As you are able, be open as an instructor about your positionality and level of expertise with the topics discussed in the book, perhaps modeling a ‘learning alongside’ approach to demonstrate intellectual humility.
  • Share on-campus and off-campus supports regularly and often (see Supports for students, staff, and faculty, below).
  • Consider making small student groups of 3-5 students for regular discussions in the course, so that students build comfort and rapport with a small group in addition to the whole class.

Handling the discussion

  • Consider using discussion formats that are less confrontational or debate-oriented, and more about consensus or taking on new perspectives.
  • Consider how the physical or virtual space impacts the discussion: sitting in a circle vs. students facing an instructor, having options for written discussion (e.g. chat, discussion boards), having many small-group discussions simultaneously vs. a single whole-class discussion.
  • Encourage students to focus on critical engagement with their own opinions. Use a variety of question types and encourage a curious attitude towards new information as a tool for informing and reflecting on held opinions.
  • Remind students that the book covers topics based on the experiences of people whose stories are usually ignored.
  • If students reject ideas because of strong opinions or incorrect facts, gently remind them of the importance in academia of engaging with theories and ideas from diverse perspectives as a means to move beyond anecdotal evidence. You may also find it helpful to remind students of any relevant community agreements.
  • Pay attention to body language, vocal tone, and other non-verbal cues during the discussion to help determine if a discussion is getting tense.
  • Plan ahead for some possible reactive strategies should conflict arise or if a discussion begins to escalate quickly (e.g., pausing the discussion, seeking outside support, campus resources).
  • Hold space and time to follow up with students as needed, either privately, in small groups, over email, or at a later class.

Disclaimers, trigger warnings, and content warnings

  • Alert students in advance about the difficult content in the book, without suggesting that students simply not engage, and while recognizing that everyone finds different things difficult. Consider drawing ideas from the statement below, shared by colleagues in the Office of Human Rights and Conflict Management:

The purpose of this discussion is to _________________________.

I acknowledge that each of you come to this discussion with your unique life experiences. In exploring They Said This Would Be Fun, we will cover a variety of topics, including, but not limited to depictions or references to examples of structural, cultural, and direct violence related trauma connected to racism, sexual violence (including gender violence), and classism, some of which you may find triggering,  uncomfortable, or upsetting. Please note that the experiences of being triggered is different than being intellectually challenged. The main difference is that an individual must have experienced trauma to experience being triggered, whereas an intellectual challenge has nothing to do with trauma. If you are a trauma survivor or you “walk with”/experience everyday trauma, I encourage you to please take the necessary steps to take care of yourself (if needed please refer to the resources provided).  While all faculty, staff and students are encouraged to have on-going challenging conversations on these topics to promote intellectual and personal development, please know that engaging in this discussion is voluntary and you can choose whether or how much to engage with the material, and how much of your own experience you wish to share.

  • Share coping strategies to use if students feel triggered while reading the book (see Supports for student, staff, and faculty below).
  • Explain what students should do if they feel triggered during a class discussion (e.g., “You are welcome to leave the room if you need to, but please give me a signal such as a thumbs-up/thumbs down to let me know if you need me to come check on you”; “Please use this poll to share with me a code word you will use in class discussions to communicate that you are triggered or need a break.”)

Centering the needs of students

Strategies to centre the needs of Black students, female students, and students with other identities directly discussed in the book.

  • Explain and follow the principle of attending to impacts or harms first, rather than focusing on intentions. Harm happens even with the best of intentions, and apologizing for and learning from unintentional harms caused is part of growth in anti-oppressive practices. Often an effective way of explaining this principle is to refer to physical accidents: stepping on someone’s toe or spilling a hot beverage on someone may be unintentional, but the person may still be harmed.
  • Racial slurs and other offensive and derogatory language should not be used, even if quoting from a text that uses them. Be ready to intervene if others use them.
  • Be alert for microaggressions and address them in a supportive manner. A kindly-stated question “What did you mean by that?” can often go a long way to disrupting harm and gently educating about alternative perspectives. However, it can be helpful to have a plan if you need to shut down a line of discussion should these gentler interventions be insufficient and the impacts on students are outweighing the benefit of education for the person(s) who made the comment.
  • Remind students and yourself that everyone is speaking from their own unique experiences, not representing the perspectives of an identity or cultural group they happen to belong to. Don’t ask students to speak for a group they belong to or single them out to share their experiences.

for staff and faculty book clubs Discussion questions

About these questions

If your book club is looking for discussion ideas for They Said This Would Be Fun, the questions below may be helpful. Pick and choose the ones that work best for you and your group or make your own – your group knows best what you need in order to engage with this book and the important topics within it. The purpose of these discussions is to talk about the book in the ways that make sense to you, and to make a collective commitment to further action. While all faculty, staff and students are encouraged to have on-going challenging conversations on these topics to promote intellectual and personal development, please know that engaging in this discussion is voluntary and you can choose whether or how much to engage with the material, and how much of your own experience you wish to share.

As you are discussing, take care of yourselves. Don’t share personal experiences if you don’t feel comfortable doing so, and recognize that each group member comes to this discussion with their own unique life experiences. Be mindful of your own and others’ capacity to discuss difficult topics, including, but not limited to, depictions or references to examples of structural, cultural, and direct violence; and related trauma connected to racism, sexual violence (including gender violence), and classism. Recognize that you or others might feel compelled to share ideas and experiences that are difficult for others to hear. Remind yourself and group members of the many on-campus and off-campus supports available to you.

These questions were developed by a group of undergraduate and graduate students at the University of Manitoba who share some of Eternity Martis’ identities and/or lived experiences. Guidance was also provided by an advisory board of racialized students, faculty, and staff; and by staff at the Office of Equity, Diversity, and Inclusion, the Office of Human Rights and Conflict Management, and the Centre for the Advancement of Teaching and Learning.

Questions

  • Thinking about your own student experiences, how were they similar to or different from Martis’ experiences? What did instructors and support staff do to help you as a student? What could they have done differently?
     
  • As faculty or staff of the University of Manitoba with your own identities and lived experiences, what can you do to address the oppression Martis describes, and that many other students face?
     
  • What advice would you give Eternity Martis if she were attending the University of Manitoba as a student today?
     
  • They Said This Would Be Fun describes Martis’ experiences at Western University in London, Ontario. What lessons do you take from the book that might be relevant to student, faculty, and staff experiences at the University of Manitoba, in the city of Winnipeg, and in the province of Manitoba? What similarities or differences can you describe?
     
  • Eternity Martis discusses at length various universities’ complicity in racist and transphobic attacks and protests (for instance, on pages 57–59 of the book). She states how racialized students have been afraid to come forward for fear of not being believed or fear that the university will do nothing. How might the University of Manitoba be similarly complicit in furthering the oppression of some students, staff, and faculty because of particular held identities? What institutional changes could be implemented to address this?
     
  • Rebecca Journey, a teaching fellow in the Social Studies department at the University of Chicago, faced serious backlash over a course that she proposed to teach, which was named “The Problem of Whiteness.” In the light of Martis’ academic experience, how can we make universities a site for productive discourse where a course like Rebecca Journey’s can be taught? How do we utilize the potential of universities as places where real learning and social change can occur? 
     
  • Martis’ story highlights the ways that racialized persons can often feel isolated on campus because of the systemic and individual racism they face. This can make it difficult for them to seek help when they are victims of abuse. What examples from the book demonstrate this? What other experiences and ideas can you share around this?
     
  • Many of the racist and sexist experiences that Martis discusses are examples of “everyday” racism and/or sexism, sometimes called microaggressions: words or actions that may not be intended as harmful but that do harm others. Some examples of these might include:
    • dressing up in the clothing of another culture as a Halloween costume
    • use of language or dialect from another culture or group; e.g., African American Vernacular English phrases, digital memes or GIFs (sometimes called “digital blackface”)
    • qualifying non-white or non-cisgender male characters, job titles, etc.; e.g. “Black Wonder Woman,” “Asian Spiderman,” “female doctor”
    • touching someone’s hair without permission
       
  • Have you ever used any of these terms or done any of these things? Why? How do you understand those statements and actions now that you have read the book? Do you feel that these more subtle forms of racism and sexism are not taken as seriously as blatant forms, such as racial or sexist slurs?
     
  • This book describes some of the ways youth of marginalized ethnicities are oppressed in Canada. How does this challenge Canada’s reputation (deserved or not) as the safer or better alternative to living in the United States?
     
  • Consider the movies, TV shows, news articles, music, and other media you engage with and talk about with family, friends, colleagues, and students. How many of these stories are about people with marginalized identities? How many of these stories are about people with identities similar to you? How many are considered to be the “great” or canonical works that everyone in society should know about? What do your answers to these questions tell you about the media that is important to you and to society generally?
     
  • During her time at university, Eternity Martis had to build her identity defined strictly through her racial identity. She faced many labels and stereotypes that were put on to her by society. What kind of labels or stereotypes was she working against or trying to negate? How did she mask her identity in public? How did Martis, whose identities are many and multiple as she discusses in the book, hold on to and define her own identity both privately and publicly?
     
  • Through her time at university, Eternity Martis goes through multiple changes as a result of her need to conform with her peers and social context. Do you believe that benefits of conforming could ever outweigh the harm it does to a person who is figuring out their identity?
     
  • Eternity Martis talks in the book about being hyper visible and at the same time invisible in white spaces which probably results in the person of colour becoming the token friend. She also notes that despite the similarity of discrimination faced by other Black and racialized students, there is a hesitancy in forming support groups, or just friendships. Why do you think that is the case? What can we do to change this? 

Additional resources

CBC Books resources on They Said This Would Be Fun (includes video and interviews with Eternity Martis, students) https://www.cbc.ca/books/they-said-this-would-be-fun-1.5423026

Eternity Martis: Being Black in a White Place (25 min. interview with Nam Kiwanuka, TVO)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWft0MWiUEY

Instructor resources from the Centre for the Advancement of Teaching and Learning

Supports for students, staff, and faculty

  • Be clear with learners about places they can go for additional support if reading and/or discussing the book raises difficult emotions or concerns (see the list below for ideas).
  • Encourage students to use self-care strategies as they engage in these conversations (e.g., being mindful of their own emotional responses, taking breaks as needed, scheduling lighter activities after class or study periods, spending time engaging in activities that bring joy or peace, setting up communities of support, etc.).
  • Use your own self-care strategies as you engage in these conversations. Recognize and honour how your identities and lived experiences may impact your ability to teach effectively.
  • As an instructor, be clear on your responsibility to respond to disclosures of sexual violence, racism, and other forms of oppression from students and establish your own self-care strategies as well as seeking support as needed.

Campus supports for students

Sexual Violence Resource Centre – provides support, resources, information and referral services for any student, faculty or staff member who has been affected by sexual violence.

Human Rights and Conflict Management – help with understanding options for making a complaint as well as help mediating conflict and responding to disclosures.

Student Counselling Centre – offers a range of counselling supports.

Academic advisors – Student academic advisors can help and refer students to appropriate services and support.

Student Advocacy –a safe place for students to get help navigating university processes and advocate for your rights as a student.

Indigenous Student Centre – student advisors and Elders are available to provide safe and culturally relevant support for First Nation, Inuit and Metis students.

International Student Centre – student advisors are available to provide support to international students.

On campus safety – information from Security Services about on-campus security concerns.

Campus supports for staff and faculty

Sexual Violence Resource Centre – provides support, resources, information and referral services for any student, faculty or staff member who has been affected by sexual violence.

Human Rights and Conflict Management – help with understanding options for making a complaint as well as help mediating conflict and responding to disclosures.

On campus safety – information from Security Services about on-campus security concerns

Employee and Family Assistance Program (EFAP) - immediate, confidential help and counselling for any concern. Employees have free access to mental health professionals, wellness counselling and legal advice 24/7, 365 days a year.

Off-campus supports for everyone

Manitoba Suicide Prevention & Support Line (24/7): 1-877-435-7170,

Klinic Crisis Line (24/7): (204) 786-8686 or 1-888-322-3019

Klinic Sexual Assault Crisis Line (24/7): (204) 786-8631 or 1-888-292-7565

Klinic Trafficking Hotline (24/7) “Call the Line”:  1-844-333-2211

Manitoba Farm, Rural & Northern Support Services (24/7): 1-866-367-3276